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		<title>By: Tama Leaver dot Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Marshine on Phobos!</title>
		<link>http://www.tamaleaver.net/2008/03/05/mars/comment-page-1/#comment-20052</link>
		<dc:creator>Tama Leaver dot Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Marshine on Phobos!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on from my previous post about Mars and the wonderful work of the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) project, I just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sky!  Well, I certainly agree that scientists are at the core of KSR&#039;s ideal of who could build/envision better worlds, but given the diversity of scientists in the First Hundred and beyond, I guess I&#039;m more inclined to think that in the trilogy scientists are representative of the diversity of humanity at large.  

The range of ideas from Hiroko to Arkady to Phyllis Boyle to Frank Chalmers to John Boone (reds, greens, Bogdanovists, areophanists ...) are hugely diverse, playing out the tensions between existing nation-states (Chalmers as &#039;US&#039;, Maya as Russia), uber-capitalism (Phyllis and her UN-cum-transnation megacorp), radical environmentalism which sees the planet itself as the ideal (Reds), Mars as a separatist movement (Bogdanovists) and Hiroko&#039;s areophany which seems to be a model in which planets and people must co-evolve to find a new equilibrium.  I&#039;d think that in that diversity, KSR is suggesting that scientists are focal points representing ideas and philosophies from across the spectrum of human ideas.  Besides which, the scientists change their minds at times (eg Sax) while others cause radical problems while pursuing science per se (such as the impact of the longevity treatments - which make sense of Mars - on the already overpopulated Earth).  So, I guess I&#039;d be hesitant to call the book technocratic or even scientist-centric except insomuch as the scientists are representative of the range of human ideas, politics and philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sky!  Well, I certainly agree that scientists are at the core of KSR&#8217;s ideal of who could build/envision better worlds, but given the diversity of scientists in the First Hundred and beyond, I guess I&#8217;m more inclined to think that in the trilogy scientists are representative of the diversity of humanity at large.  </p>
<p>The range of ideas from Hiroko to Arkady to Phyllis Boyle to Frank Chalmers to John Boone (reds, greens, Bogdanovists, areophanists &#8230;) are hugely diverse, playing out the tensions between existing nation-states (Chalmers as &#8216;US&#8217;, Maya as Russia), uber-capitalism (Phyllis and her UN-cum-transnation megacorp), radical environmentalism which sees the planet itself as the ideal (Reds), Mars as a separatist movement (Bogdanovists) and Hiroko&#8217;s areophany which seems to be a model in which planets and people must co-evolve to find a new equilibrium.  I&#8217;d think that in that diversity, KSR is suggesting that scientists are focal points representing ideas and philosophies from across the spectrum of human ideas.  Besides which, the scientists change their minds at times (eg Sax) while others cause radical problems while pursuing science per se (such as the impact of the longevity treatments &#8211; which make sense of Mars &#8211; on the already overpopulated Earth).  So, I guess I&#8217;d be hesitant to call the book technocratic or even scientist-centric except insomuch as the scientists are representative of the range of human ideas, politics and philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: sky</title>
		<link>http://www.tamaleaver.net/2008/03/05/mars/comment-page-1/#comment-19900</link>
		<dc:creator>sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Mars trilogy, and it&#039;s played a big role in a few of my friendships as well as my worldview. KSR&#039;s writing is so amazingly detailed and multifaceted, and I love the strong streak of anarchism that runs through it. 

A friend once pointed out, though, how incredibly technocratic his ideas are - basically, scientists are clever enough to fix the world, if only we give them the chance. I&#039;m not entirely sure about this, but it does seem to be a legitimate reading of his work. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Mars trilogy, and it&#8217;s played a big role in a few of my friendships as well as my worldview. KSR&#8217;s writing is so amazingly detailed and multifaceted, and I love the strong streak of anarchism that runs through it. </p>
<p>A friend once pointed out, though, how incredibly technocratic his ideas are &#8211; basically, scientists are clever enough to fix the world, if only we give them the chance. I&#8217;m not entirely sure about this, but it does seem to be a legitimate reading of his work. What do you think?</p>
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